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Many of you have probably read the article I posted earlier on the reviewing system at Amazon.com. In the article I commented that I thought Midwest Review’s policies of awarding 5 star reviews to every author was damaging the review system. A reader who had received a five star review forwarded a link to Jim Cox, managing editor at Midwest Book Review, who then sent an e-mail that tried to explain the reasons for some of his policies.
I had a few questions of my own so I seized the opportunity to interview him.
Here is the interview in its entirely with my comments at the bottom.
Questions:
1. You receive 2000 book/month. Are all the books read? How do your in-house reviewers decide which books get a positive recommendation? How is a book’s intended audience determined?
When books arrive each day, Monday through Saturday, our mailroom guy takes them out of their respective bags, boxes, and packages, puts the accompanying paperwork with them, then stacks them all on my desk. Then I sit down and do a kind of literary triage — meaning that I personally screen them and put them into one of three stacks:
Stack 1: Automatic rejection. This can be for such reasons as they submitted a title that is a galley or uncorrected proof — and we review finished, published copies only. The book features a substandard cover that would make it non-competitive with others of its genre or category as encountered on a bookstore or library shelf. The type is too small for its intended readership. A cursory inspection turns up typos or flagrant errors of grammar. The book arrived without an accompanying cover letter and/or publicity release.
Stack 2: Automatic acceptance. This is usually because I’ve got a reviewer who specializes in the genre or category the book represents. The book is especially unusual, well-made, or otherwise distinctive. The book is in a very popular genre such as a cookbook, an art book, or a significant social issue currently in the news.
Stack 3: Possible acceptance. The book arrives accompanied by the appropriate paperwork, passes muster in its physical appearance, and I’m hopeful that it will be accepted for a review assignment by one of our reviewers sometime in the next 14 to 16 weeks. This is, by far, the largest stack to come out of the daily screening process.
2. What happens if your volunteer disagrees with the in-house reviewer? Is their review discarded?
All reviews by our volunteer and freelance reviewers are run regardless of whether they give a positive or a negative recommendation so long as they coherently explain to the reader the basis for their opinion. Occasionally we will have two or more reviews on the same title. I run them all on the basis that each reviewer brings to their review of that same title differing life experiences, skills, abilities, and perspectives.
3. Midwest Book Review’s Wikipedia article was recently changed from
“[Midwest Book Review] claim to accept no financial donations from authors or publishers for their services. However, their reviews tend to be highly promotional, and when submitted to Amazon.com are always accompanied by a five-star rating.”
To:
“[[Midwest]]. It is an organization of volunteers committed to promoting literacy, library usage, and giving priority consideration to small press publishers, self-published authors, and academic presses. They accept no financial donations from authors or publishers for their services.”
Your site claims you do not accept compensation for reviews, but because of the above, I would like to ask you straight out. Do you accept any donations or compensation at all from authors or publishers or any other agent at any point in the review process?
We do not permit authors, publishers, or publicists to contribute financially to the Midwest Book Review in order to be able to avoid any conflict of interest issues. We do permit anyone to donate postage stamps to the Midwest Book Review if they want to express their appreciation or simply say ‘thank you’ for what we try to accomplish in behalf of the small press community. Our board of directors determined that postage stamp donations would not constitute an inappropriate means of expressing support for the Midwest Book Review’s three part mission statement to promote literacy, library usage, and small press publishing.
4. Why are so many of your reviews similar to the Editorial Descriptions? Many of Midwest Book Review’s reviews could be written without having read the book. Is there any vetting or oversight of your volunteers?
The reviews turned in by the reviewers range from brief blurbs to multi-page essays. We provide reviewers with a ‘Reviewer’s Guideline’ (you can find it in the ‘Advice for Publisher’ archive that is on the Midwest Book Review website at http://www.midwestbookreview.com). Basically a good review provides an accuratge summary description of the book’s content followed by a coherent recommendation with respect to it’s intended readership. Often that summary description can be drawn from the publicity release in combination with the book’s contents.
5. Please elaborate on why you believe Amazon’s rating system is flawed.
This has long been a pet peeve of mine because it is so arbitrary. One’ person’s 3 is another person’s 4, and a third person’s 2. There are no standard definitions of what these numbers should mean or stand for. I’d like to see them done away with altogether — but Amazon won’t permit the posting of any review unless it is given a number in their 1 through 5 rating system.
So I instructed our webmaster (who does all the posting for reviews generated ‘in-house’ by the Midwest Book Review editorial staff) to use 5 if the book was given a positive recommendation.
The theory is that for a book to make it all the way through the Midwest Book Review process from its initial screening, through it’s being accepted for a review assignment, to the review being completed and published in one or more of our monthly book review publications, it merited the highest recommendation available under the Amazon rating system. Inferior books, flawed books, substandard books are assumed to have been weeded out and never made it to the ‘finish line’ of publication in one of our book review magazines.
This applies only to our ‘in-house’ reviews. The reviews turned in by the freelance reviewers and volunteers are their property. Only they have the right to decide whether or not to post their reviews on Amazon. They (and only they) have the right to decide what rating number to assign to those reviews they decide to post on Amazon.
For example, one of the Midwest Book Review’s most prolific freelance reviewers is Harriet Klausner. She is also one of the most prolific reviewers on Amazon.com — and she does not uniformly ward 5’s to the reviews she writes and posts.
Then consider the phenomena of differing opinions! One person’s trash is another person’s treasure. Books I read and disliked as a teenager in high school literature classes became books I appreciated when re-read as an adult some thirty or more years later.
The moral of this story is that while you should make yourself open to the opinions of others, ultimately it’s your own views, opinions, judgements, and values that should determine your choices in books as in life.
6. Why do all of the books you rate merit a 5 star rating? Surely each of the 32,000 books you’ve rated cannot be flawless. Why are there no 4.5 ratings?
See the above response to Question 5.
I sincerely thank you for your time.
It’s my pleasure. I always enjoy discussing what we do here at the Midwest Book Review. In many ways we are so unique as to be something of an anomaly in the publishing industry. We’ve been written up (and uniformly positively) by some 22 ‘how to’ books over the past 30 years. As experienced and organized as we are, there is always something new to be learned, something that we could do better, something previously overlooked and needs to be paid attention to.
Anytime an author, a publisher, or a reviewer deems themselves to be above critique and criticism, that’s when that author, publisher, or reviewer will begin to atrophy and eventually make themselves obsolete among their peers and with the public.
I’m going to include this Q&A response in my monthly column the “Jim Cox Report” which I write for the benefit of the small press community. It is also archived on the Midwest Book Review website
..You have my complete permission to include my comments in your own blog and anywhere else you feel would be appropriate.
First, let me say that Mr. Cox responded to me in one day. The guy is obviously a class act. He also reacted professionally to my question about accepting payments. Since the typical response from scammers is defensive outrage, I’m inclined to believe Mr. Cox despite the Wikipedia article. His goal of bringing attention to self-published and small press books is laudible.
That said, I disagree with some of his policies. If you look closely, you can see that Mr. Cox has instructed his webmaster to award a book 5 stars if it is a “finished, published copy”, if it has a nice cover, the type is large, a “cursory inspection” reveals few typos, and if the submission is accompanied by a cover letter. That’s why all of his reviews get 5 stars. These kinds of review mislead Amazon’s clients since there is no way they can know this in advance. They merely see that Midwest looks professional and has given the book a five star review.
He claims that he does this as a kind of protest against Amazon’s “arbitrary” rating system. “One’ person’s 3 is another person’s 4, and a third person’s 2” he says. I contend that it is a professional reviewer’s job not to tell you if they liked the book, it’s to say if, in their professional opinion, you will like the book. This is why they’re paid the big bucks. You read a review because you trust the reviewer’s opinion. Reviewers don’t have to precisely say what YOU would rate it, they have to say what their overall readership will think of it. Rating every book a 5 out of 5 betrays this principle.
I also believe that it is Mr. Cox’s responsibility to have a member of his staff vet reviews before attaching his name to it. If a reviewer merely rephrases what is contained in the Editorial Description, A) they may not have actually read the book, and B) the reader of the review gains nothing. What we, as readers, want is to be able to form an opinion based on a knowledgable, in-depth review that talks about plot, characterization, theme, and writing style. Rephrasing the book jacket doesn’t help us.
Mr. Cox, please consider adding some oversight to your reviewers. A lot of people depend on your opinions to guide their purchases. Please don’t let them down.
EDIT: Mr. Cox responded in the comments. I have to say, I’m a convert. It’s a pleasure dealing with someone so open and professional.
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Just a comment on the ‘5 star rating’ thing:
I’m on a number of sites that allow raitings on all sorts of things, from online games, to art to written work. I have never, ever seen a numbers rating system work well. What I have seen is that the numbers rating system is fraught with problems, regardless of how it’s implemented. It’s extremely easy to cheat and get high ratings. People will also cheat and force false low ratings on other people they have a vendetta against or just to make their own (or their friends) entries look good. I hate them, I encourage everyone to stop using them.
When commenting on someone else’s work, if forced to use a rating system I will give the highest rating if the work is perfect (in my opinion) and the next highest if it needs work of any kind. I never use any of the lower ratings.
I do this specifically because either the piece needs work or it doesn’t and I don’t feel a need to use more than 2 numbers to signify that. I use the highest ones avaialble because I also don’t feel a need to make the piece look bad in the eyes of other visitors (which low numbers do, regardless of whether they should or not) or to make the author feel bad (which low numbers also do regardless of whether that should be the case or not).
That said, I have to also state I completely agree with Midwest Book Review’s 5 star policy. I would prefer that no raitings at all were used, just reviewer comments and I personally ignore the number of stars, but others don’t.
I took advantage of Jordan’s invitation to read his response to my answers to his questions comprising our little ‘cyberspace’ interview. I enjoyed his thoughtful commentary and even though my mind is unchanged with respect to basically ignoring Amazon’s rating system by automatically using 5 for any book that was recommended in its review by one of our ‘in-house’ reviewers, I completely respect what Jordan had to say about a reviewer’s responsibility to the prospective reader.
I’d like to add something not covered in our interview that I think readers of Jordan’s blog might find of interest. There are basically two different audiences for book reviews:
1. Librarians and Booksellers
These folks like their reviews succinct and brief because of the time constraints of their jobs and the sheer overwhelming volume of books being published and brought to their attention virtually every working day.
2. The General Public & Academia
These folks tend to like their reviews to be extensive, comprehensive, and detailed.
The Midwest Book Review (founded in 1976 as a weekly radio show in Madison, Wisconsin) began publishing monthly book review newsletters in 1980 when Ronald Regan and his Republicans (in an unholy alliance with Blue Dog Democrats in the congress) drastically cut federal funding for community and academic libraries. One of the results of the draconian reducations was that the small and midsized libraries had to terminate their subscriptions to such expensive magazines as Publishers Weekly and the Library Journal.
So the Midwest Book Review started producing a book review publication that was distributed to library systems for free. It was a big hit and has grown over the years to what you will find archived on the Midwest Book Review website at http://www.midwestbookreview.com
This little bit of history might give you some further explanation as to why so many of our ‘in-house’ reviews are still following that succinct, brief, summary form that you see so much under our name on database websites such as Amazon.com. While reviews in the two of our publications comprised soley of reviews from freelancers and volunteers are often much longer.
Incidentally, our reviews are also to be found on other online databases such as Lexus-Nexus (used principally by jounalists and academicians), Golaith, and the Book Review Index (used principally by academic, corporate, and community librarians.
I found Jordan’s blog to be of great interest and will be installing a link to it on the Midwest Book Review website in the section devoted to “Book Lover Resources”.
Thank you Jordan for your continuing and invaluable efforts to provide a place for commentary and conversation about books, writing, and publishing. In a world where shouting is what passes for discourse, it’s a genuine and informative pleasure to find reasoned discussion presenting diverse (and differing) views on controversial subjects, opinions, and policies.
Jim Cox
Midwest Book Review
I see both sides of this, but I think the issue on Amazon (and other type places) is that readers not knowing that you hate the number system will only see that you highly recommend the book, even if in reality you don’t think it resides comfortably among the classics, which is what a 5 would say to me. A highest rating would rank it as equals among the best books ever written.
Seems to me if the motivation is as you say, a disclaimer at the end of each review would state to ignore the rating you have given, because you don’t agree with them and give all a 5 irregardless, but use what is written to inform if this is something you will enjoy reading or not.
Interesting discussion.
R. L. Copple brings out a point I had not considered. Namely that folks used to rating things 1 through 5, 1 through 10, thumbs up or thumbs down, etc. might indeed read into an Amazon 5 rating an evaluation rating higher than intended.
I’m going to have to give serious thought about Copple’s recommendation that a ratings disclaimer of some sort be automatically attached to the end of any posted review as a possibly useful as a counter-weight against having to rate a posted review with Amazon’s arbitrary numbering system. Currently I rely on that sentence or two of specific recommendation commentary that is a part of the review itself to identify as to just who is being advised that the book in question is worth their time.
Since this blog topic is primarily of interest to writers and publishers, I would like to draw your attention to several articles I have written over the years about book reviews, the book review process, what to do with a book review once you’ve got one, etc.
The first article I ever wrote for the publishing community (it was the basis for a speech I was asked to give to a publishers association) is called “How To Spot A Phony Book Reviewer”. You will find it and the rest of my book review articles archived on the Midwest Book Review website at http://www.midwestbookreview.com in a section called ‘Advice for Writers & Publishers’.
This particular article was specifically written to help writers and publishers distinguish between legitimate reviewers and review publications from the scam artists that periodically plague the publishing industry.
We are basically an educational institution. Therefore another section of the Midwest Book Review website is called ‘Other Reviewers’ and is an extensive list of links to freelance book reviewers, book review magazines and publications, book review websites, etc. that I have personally vetted for their legitimacy.
It also has occurred to me with further reflections on this discussion thread that in my Q&A session with Jordan that I didn’t go on to explain how the Midwest Book Review is financed since we don’t allow authors, publishers, or publicists to make financial contributions because of conflict of interest issues.
The Midwest Book Review is financed by two annual foundation grants and the sale of review copies to local libraries and local bookstores.
We do not sell books on the internet. That decision is based on our being ‘content providers’ for Amazon, as well as the other online databases I’ve mentioned previously, and I just didn’t feel right about disposing of review copies with them or anyother online bookseller because of possible conflict of interest issues.
In conclusion, I will now share the deep dark secret of how to financially support yourself as a professional book reviewer — marry rich!
Jim Cox
Midwest Book Review
Excellent investigative reporting, Jordan. My thanks to Mr. Cox and yourself for the informative posts.
Mr. Cox, after ‘reviewing’ your list of Other Reviewers’ sites, I would like to suggest a few specific to the fantasy genres:
Pat’s Fantasy Hotlist at http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/ and
Fantasy Book Spot at http://www.fantasybookspot.com/
As I am not sure whether you require sites to be review-specific, I will advise you that both offer far more than reviews, with commentary, interviews, contests, and other features posted almost daily.
In regards to my own blog reviewing, after reading your article “How To Spot A Phony Book Reviewer” I must offer a small disclaimer: I do not review for the publisher - I review for the reader. Quite simply, my intent as stated on my site is to save people time.
I support small publishers and would hope my endorsement of their services, personnel and products (regardless of the individual specific review) benefited them in some fashion. I support large publishers and self-publishers as well. I consider myself equal opportunity in the material I will read and review.
Which brings me to my intent. The original intent of my blogging was for self-consumption with simple documentation on the books I read. I plan to post commentary on every book I read whether it is ‘reviewed’ for someone else or not.
Due to some small attention, my blog has eventually led me into doing reviews for SFReader (http://sfreader.com/). At one point I was also offered the position of Fantasy Reviewer for a new magazine that eventually never reached publication.
I mention all this simply to say that whether I receive another ‘free’ book or not, my reviews will not disappear. It was not why I began doing this, nor why I continue doing it. I consider it a nice benefit, but I also consider my obligation to read the books I ask to review a duty I will not forgo. I pride myself on finishing that which I begin.
I also do not take my comments lightly. As my reviews have become much more public than orginally intended, I have become attuned to the world of the small press, for-the-love markets, short story writers and genre novelists. I spend far more time agonizing over the wording of my reviews than I believe most reviewers do. Just ask my wife!
While I generally agreed with most of your comments and the content of your article, I would like to point out that there is another category of reader (myself included) out there. We are the readers who desire a bit more sustenance than typical library reviews offer while also desiring less revelation of content that typical ‘professional’ reviews seem to provide. In other words, give me more than the back of the book does but don’t tell me the nitty-gritty.
Tell me if the author wrote to his intended audience; tell me the thematic elements of the story; tell me about the presentation and quality; tell me how it compares to similar authors or stories. Just don’t tell me particular events or information that - even if it’s easy for me to surmise - I wouldn’t have known without reading the book myself. Too many reviews ruin the chance of experiencing even momentary reading delight.
As I said, my thanks to both Jordan and yourself for the opportunity to read your comments and offer my own. I appreciate the obviously professional efforts of Midwest Book Review and plan to add your link to my ‘Recommended Sites’ column.
Crystalwizard,
Your strategy is “author-centric”. Look at the words that you choose: “make the author feel bad” & “commenting on someone else’s work”. This is exactly what a reviewer should NOT do. A reviewers responsibility is to the people that trust their opinion. The author doesn’t come into play.
As a reviewer, if you’re going to pick two arbitrary numbers like that, you’re better off picking ‘5′ and ‘1′, because at least that tells your readers something about what you thought of the book.
Rick,
Great suggestion! It’s a partial solution only, since people sometimes skip the review and simply read the stars, but it goes a long way towards clearing up reader confusion when they read a review of a 5 star book that they know doesn’t merit five stars (maybe because they’ve read it). It would also make Midwest book review a more reliable reviewer in their eyes because Midwest would acknowlege that a particular book doesn’t necessary merit a flawless rating.
Jim,
This thread has been greatly enlightening. Thank you very much for your contined contributions about Midwest. I’m definitely going to be posting links in the various writing forums I visit. You’ve completely changed my mind. I’ve gone from suspicious of all those 5 star ratings to really appreciating the job you guys are doing over there. Keep up the great work!