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	<title>Comments on: Looking for books by Clarion West instructors &#8211; 2009</title>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m familiar with that one. It&#039;s across from Chapters, and they have a pretty nifty selection. Still it&#039;s always better to be a customer at a place that might eventually host a book signing, and White Dwarf seems more like that kind of place

Thanks for the suggestions, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m familiar with that one. It&#8217;s across from Chapters, and they have a pretty nifty selection. Still it&#8217;s always better to be a customer at a place that might eventually host a book signing, and White Dwarf seems more like that kind of place</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions, though!</p>
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		<title>By: silviamg</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>silviamg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also try the used book store that&#039;s almost on Granville and Broadway. Actually, it&#039;s on Broadway between Granville and Fir. They sell used comic books, movies and lots of sci-fi and fantasy. There&#039;s also a very big used bookstore downtown, it&#039;s based on these Japanese used stores ... the name escapes me. Find Book maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also try the used book store that&#8217;s almost on Granville and Broadway. Actually, it&#8217;s on Broadway between Granville and Fir. They sell used comic books, movies and lots of sci-fi and fantasy. There&#8217;s also a very big used bookstore downtown, it&#8217;s based on these Japanese used stores &#8230; the name escapes me. Find Book maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll take a look at AbeBooks, then Chapters. Actually, I just re-discovered an independent sci-fi/fantasy bookstore from my youth, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deadwrite.com/wd.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;White Dwarf Books&lt;/a&gt;, so I&#039;ll probably try and get them from there first. Vive Les Independents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll take a look at AbeBooks, then Chapters. Actually, I just re-discovered an independent sci-fi/fantasy bookstore from my youth, <a href="http://www.deadwrite.com/wd.html" rel="nofollow">White Dwarf Books</a>, so I&#8217;ll probably try and get them from there first. Vive Les Independents!</p>
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		<title>By: Silviamg</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Silviamg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I order my stuff through Chapters online and I order seriously weird stuff (&quot;The Aristocracy in Mexico from 1910 to the end of the 20th century&quot; is my Christmas present to myself). I&#039;ve found it&#039;s cheaper than Amazon, a lot of times, because of the postage. There&#039;s also Abebooks which Oz already mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I order my stuff through Chapters online and I order seriously weird stuff (&#8220;The Aristocracy in Mexico from 1910 to the end of the 20th century&#8221; is my Christmas present to myself). I&#8217;ve found it&#8217;s cheaper than Amazon, a lot of times, because of the postage. There&#8217;s also Abebooks which Oz already mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1509</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m flattered to be added to your blogroll! I picked yours up from that discussion thread about everyone&#039;s blogs. Doubled my reading pleasure in one day, I think!  

Oz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m flattered to be added to your blogroll! I picked yours up from that discussion thread about everyone&#8217;s blogs. Doubled my reading pleasure in one day, I think!  </p>
<p>Oz</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1508</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do feel like I got a lucky story. I look at my writing, even that story, and feel like there&#039;s so much I could do better.

For a completely objective comparison, look at my co-winners, Matthew Rotundo and Donald Mead, both of whom already had pro-sales when they won. 

When I&#039;ve won a Hugo/Nebula, or at LEAST get a few more pro-sales, I&#039;ll acknowledge that I&#039;m decent. Until then, I could use all the help I can get.

Oh, PS, I added you to the site&#039;s blogroll. Your comments have been awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do feel like I got a lucky story. I look at my writing, even that story, and feel like there&#8217;s so much I could do better.</p>
<p>For a completely objective comparison, look at my co-winners, Matthew Rotundo and Donald Mead, both of whom already had pro-sales when they won. </p>
<p>When I&#8217;ve won a Hugo/Nebula, or at LEAST get a few more pro-sales, I&#8217;ll acknowledge that I&#8217;m decent. Until then, I could use all the help I can get.</p>
<p>Oh, PS, I added you to the site&#8217;s blogroll. Your comments have been awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it one or two you submit? Because if it&#039;s two, I&#039;d do one that&#039;s polished and one that has something you&#039;re not happy with, something you&#039;d want critiqued. But if Hartwell is going to read only one, you want your WOTF in your app package and then discuss how you feel you just got &quot;lucky&quot; in your essay if West doesn&#039;t take two stories in the package. 

Do you really feel you just got &quot;lucky?&quot; 

Plenty of time yet, I think. 
Oz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it one or two you submit? Because if it&#8217;s two, I&#8217;d do one that&#8217;s polished and one that has something you&#8217;re not happy with, something you&#8217;d want critiqued. But if Hartwell is going to read only one, you want your WOTF in your app package and then discuss how you feel you just got &#8220;lucky&#8221; in your essay if West doesn&#8217;t take two stories in the package. </p>
<p>Do you really feel you just got &#8220;lucky?&#8221; </p>
<p>Plenty of time yet, I think.<br />
Oz</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Now I&#039;m a little alarmed. I might be disqualified because I won WotF? 

&gt;I&lt; sure feel like I need help to get to the next step in story writing. I&#039;m not exactly a master, I just wrote a story that happened to appeal to the WotF judges.

I was going to use my WotF winning story as a writing sample, but maybe now I&#039;ll use something a little less polished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Now I&#8217;m a little alarmed. I might be disqualified because I won WotF? </p>
<p>>I< sure feel like I need help to get to the next step in story writing. I&#8217;m not exactly a master, I just wrote a story that happened to appeal to the WotF judges.</p>
<p>I was going to use my WotF winning story as a writing sample, but maybe now I&#8217;ll use something a little less polished.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.jordanlapp.com/looking-for-books-by-clarion-west-instructors-2009/comment-page-1#comment-1505</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more similarity between Clarion and Clarion West than there is with WOTF. They&#039;re both six weeks. They both have writers in residence for a week. They both focus on short stories. They&#039;re about the same size. But even when I went, there was a slight difference in the philosophy. That&#039;s why I suggest talking to a West Alum about the specifics. 

Not to mention that I went so long ago. :::cough, cough:::  I&#039;m a writer that was more hindered by it than helped, though I can name four of my six writers in residence as personal friends, not just mentors. 

If West is like Clarion, they only admit you if you&#039;re at a point where you can be helped a lot by the program. If you&#039;re too advanced, they won&#039;t admit you. 

abebooks.com, not just Amazon. It has great search features. You can narrow the results by your geographic area. 

Oz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more similarity between Clarion and Clarion West than there is with WOTF. They&#8217;re both six weeks. They both have writers in residence for a week. They both focus on short stories. They&#8217;re about the same size. But even when I went, there was a slight difference in the philosophy. That&#8217;s why I suggest talking to a West Alum about the specifics. </p>
<p>Not to mention that I went so long ago. :::cough, cough:::  I&#8217;m a writer that was more hindered by it than helped, though I can name four of my six writers in residence as personal friends, not just mentors. </p>
<p>If West is like Clarion, they only admit you if you&#8217;re at a point where you can be helped a lot by the program. If you&#8217;re too advanced, they won&#8217;t admit you. </p>
<p>abebooks.com, not just Amazon. It has great search features. You can narrow the results by your geographic area. </p>
<p>Oz</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry! I thought this was Nicholas Ozment, who frequently uses the same moniker! I should have used the sig on the comment, and I will, next time ;)

Thanks for the thoughts on Clarion. I&#039;d thought Clarion = Clarion West except for location. Interesting to hear that there&#039;s a difference other than the instructors.

Looks like I&#039;ll be picking up some collections on Amazon. Reading their shorts is a great suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry! I thought this was Nicholas Ozment, who frequently uses the same moniker! I should have used the sig on the comment, and I will, next time <img src='http://www.jordanlapp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughts on Clarion. I&#8217;d thought Clarion = Clarion West except for location. Interesting to hear that there&#8217;s a difference other than the instructors.</p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;ll be picking up some collections on Amazon. Reading their shorts is a great suggestion.</p>
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