Comments on: How to Handle Markets That “Only Respond on Acceptance” http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/ Resources for the genre writer Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:43:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Scott M. Sandridge http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-429 Scott M. Sandridge Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:46:52 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-429 Jordan, True. But most markets also let you know if the story's been rejected. At the very least Adbusters, if they don't want to send rejections out, should specify a maximum waiting time before the sub is considered rejected. Until they do one or the other, I don't see why two months is a problem; it's more considerate than what they're doing. ;) Jordan,

True. But most markets also let you know if the story’s been rejected. At the very least Adbusters, if they don’t want to send rejections out, should specify a maximum waiting time before the sub is considered rejected. Until they do one or the other, I don’t see why two months is a problem; it’s more considerate than what they’re doing. ;)

]]> By: Jordan Lapp http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-428 Jordan Lapp Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:27:32 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-428 DJ, To be fair, most markets get back to you in 3 months, so two might be close. DJ,

To be fair, most markets get back to you in 3 months, so two might be close.

]]> By: D J Barber http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-396 D J Barber Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:45:15 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-396 I like the idea of two months and then withdraw a sub. That's plenty of time for a yea or nay and getting the word out to writers via blogs will get some notice as well. It's just curteous to let a writer know they need not wait any longer, but until that happens, I'll go with the two month idea. DJ I like the idea of two months and then withdraw a sub. That’s plenty of time for a yea or nay and getting the word out to writers via blogs will get some notice as well. It’s just curteous to let a writer know they need not wait any longer, but until that happens, I’ll go with the two month idea.

DJ

]]> By: Scott http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-286 Scott Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:53:36 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-286 What I'm talking about is send the sub, wait two months, then after two months send a query e-mail stating that you're withdrawing the submission, and THEN send it to the next market. It's not a sim-sub then, because it was officially withdrawn. It's within a writer's rights to do so. What I’m talking about is send the sub, wait two months, then after two months send a query e-mail stating that you’re withdrawing the submission, and THEN send it to the next market. It’s not a sim-sub then, because it was officially withdrawn.

It’s within a writer’s rights to do so.

]]> By: Jordan Lapp http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-284 Jordan Lapp Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:53:21 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-284 Scott, The simultaeneous submit everywhere problem is a toughie. It is one thing to screw over markets that screw over writers, but I wouldn't want to do the same thing to RoF. I suppose we can just treat these "no-responder" markets as automatically simultaneous submit okay markets no matter what their guidelines say. Scott,

The simultaeneous submit everywhere problem is a toughie. It is one thing to screw over markets that screw over writers, but I wouldn’t want to do the same thing to RoF.

I suppose we can just treat these “no-responder” markets as automatically simultaneous submit okay markets no matter what their guidelines say.

]]> By: Jordan Lapp http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-283 Jordan Lapp Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:49:38 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-283 Steven, That would be a great idea! It would require a little computer savvy on the part of editors (even if it's just basic interaction with a database), and computer savvy is in short supply in some quarters. Still, it's a great idea, one we'll have to remember. Steven,

That would be a great idea! It would require a little computer savvy on the part of editors (even if it’s just basic interaction with a database), and computer savvy is in short supply in some quarters.

Still, it’s a great idea, one we’ll have to remember.

]]> By: Scott M. Sandridge http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-281 Scott M. Sandridge Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:35:53 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-281 Actually, you don't need either one. You can just choose not to sub anything to them, unless you WANT to effect a policy change on their part. In that case, there might be a way of doing it that won't involve boycotting or a massive multi-sub. We just stop being patient. After a maximum of two months simply withdraw the submission. They say it'll take "months", but they don't specify how many. Two months is plural...so two months it is. Or whatever amount of time it says on their listing at Ralan's. Actually, you don’t need either one. You can just choose not to sub anything to them, unless you WANT to effect a policy change on their part. In that case, there might be a way of doing it that won’t involve boycotting or a massive multi-sub.

We just stop being patient. After a maximum of two months simply withdraw the submission. They say it’ll take “months”, but they don’t specify how many. Two months is plural…so two months it is. Or whatever amount of time it says on their listing at Ralan’s.

]]> By: Steven Smethurst http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-279 Steven Smethurst Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:42:08 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-279 As a programmer not a writer I would suggest doing something like upload.com does. When you submit something to there service they email you your location in line, "Currently you are 2597 in que of 3500, at the current rate it will take 17 days for an editor to get to your submission" Each week the send me anther email telling me where I am in there que with the option to buy myself to the front of the que. I don't suggest letting your users buying them selfs to the front of the que but telling your submitters where they stand is a good idea. Gives them hope and stops them from submitting there stories to other websites. it wouldn't be that hard to implement either maybe a day of coding and a day of testing. This world needs more programmers to automates the simple tasks. This world needs more interfacers to make programers code easy to use. This world needs more writers. As a programmer not a writer I would suggest doing something like upload.com does.

When you submit something to there service they email you your location in line,
“Currently you are 2597 in que of 3500, at the current rate it will take 17 days for an editor to get to your submission” Each week the send me anther email telling me where I am in there que with the option to buy myself to the front of the que.

I don’t suggest letting your users buying them selfs to the front of the que but telling your submitters where they stand is a good idea. Gives them hope and stops them from submitting there stories to other websites.

it wouldn’t be that hard to implement either maybe a day of coding and a day of testing.

This world needs more programmers to automates the simple tasks.
This world needs more interfacers to make programers code easy to use.
This world needs more writers.

]]> By: Steve Goble http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-277 Steve Goble Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:58:14 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-277 Honestly, I would hope the mere spectre of a possible boycott would be enough to get the attention of publishers. It's conceivable that a bit of a stink might just do the trick, and a boycott wouldn't be necessary. Anyway, I'm not issuing any clarion calls or anything. -- Steve Honestly, I would hope the mere spectre of a possible boycott would be enough to get the attention of publishers. It’s conceivable that a bit of a stink might just do the trick, and a boycott wouldn’t be necessary. Anyway, I’m not issuing any clarion calls or anything.

– Steve

]]> By: Jordan Lapp http://www.jordanlapp.com/withoutreallytrying/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-275 Jordan Lapp Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:40:57 +0000 http://www.jordanlapp.com/blog/how-to-handle-markets-that-only-respond-on-acceptance/#comment-275 I'm not sure I like the idea of a boycott any better. You're suggesting we financially hurt short fiction markets, and this is an area that's already struggling. My suggestion might close them down to unsolicited subs. Your way might close them down entirely. Even if the boycott gets lifted relatively quickly, there's tons of examples of products that never quite recover from the loss of business. Even a temporary boycott might permanently cost them readers, and that might lead to the loss of a market (albeit an arrogant and unfriendly one). We seem to be disagreeing a lot recently. What's needed is an innocent third party upon which to focus our collective ire. Will any Young Earth Creationists reading this please step forward? I’m not sure I like the idea of a boycott any better. You’re suggesting we financially hurt short fiction markets, and this is an area that’s already struggling. My suggestion might close them down to unsolicited subs. Your way might close them down entirely.

Even if the boycott gets lifted relatively quickly, there’s tons of examples of products that never quite recover from the loss of business. Even a temporary boycott might permanently cost them readers, and that might lead to the loss of a market (albeit an arrogant and unfriendly one).

We seem to be disagreeing a lot recently. What’s needed is an innocent third party upon which to focus our collective ire. Will any Young Earth Creationists reading this please step forward?

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